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[Rule quoted from Robert's Rules of Writing: 101 Unconventional Lessons Every Writer Needs to Know by Robert Masello (Writer's Digest Books, 2005). See my original post for the rules of this discussion.]

Let me tell you a story.

A few years back, I was teaching my first science fiction writing workshop class at the Cambridge School of Weston. Students wrote short stories for the class, which the class then critiqued. In general, the stories were interesting and well-written, even if they weren't at a publishable level.

And then one day, a student whom I shall not name but simply refer to as E. submitted a humorous piece in which many of the teachers and students at the school, including myself, were featured as characters. The story was funny, but one problem existed throughout. E. never used the word "said" in the story. Almost every word of dialogue was accompanied by a tag such as "he expounded," "she pointed out," "he shouted," "she pontificated," etc.

Those might have not been the exact tags used, but it doesn't matter. The point is that E. avoided the word "said." So when it came time for me to give the final critique on the story, I gave E. and the class the standard advice that I always heard and that I always give about dialogue tags.

"Use the word 'said,'" I said. "It's the best word to use. It's invisible, so the reader's eye passes right over it. If you clog up the dialogue with all these other words, the story will suffer."

And then I found out why so many amateur and beginning writers replace the word "said" in their stories. Apparently, E. had had an English teacher back in elementary school or junior high who had told the class never to use "said." You heard me. Apparently, the word "said" was boring and should be avoided at all costs.

E. was a smart kid (and is still smart today). So I replied by saying the following, or something similar.

"E., no matter what your previous teacher told you, you know that I've published a bunch of science fiction stories, and so I have experience with editors. I'll tell you now that almost all of them will send back the story because you're using other words instead of the word 'said.' Now, I don't want to discourage your creativity, but if that argument doesn't work for you, try this one. You're smart enough to know that when it comes to writing assignments, you give the teacher what he wants. So for the remainder of this class, use the word 'said' in your stories. Once the class ends, feel free to do whatever you want."

By now, the theme of Masello's rule #32 should be obvious. He gives the same advice that I'm giving here. When writing dialogue tags, use the word 'said.'" There are some exceptions to this rule, of course, but we can get into that in the discussion if folks wish.

He said.

Date: 2006-02-10 03:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lisafeld.livejournal.com
My middle school teacher told me the same thing and it took years to break that writing tic. I'm beta'ing someone's story now, never met this person, but I can tell she's not out of high school for several reasons, one of these being that she always says "he questioned" instead of "he asked."

Date: 2006-02-10 03:13 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] saxikath
For a humorous take on the "said" issue, see http://www.mit.edu/~tahnan/avalon.html, in which [livejournal.com profile] tahnan shreds a piece of fantasy writing in which, frankly, overuse of non-"said" verbs is the least of the problems.

Date: 2006-02-10 03:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jimhines.livejournal.com
If "said" is really showing up too often, there are always ways to indicate the speaker without any sort of dialogue tags whatsoever. Action is a good one.

Jim's boss cleared her throat. "Aren't you suposed to be working right now?"

But yeah, for the most part, it's an invisible word.

Date: 2006-02-10 03:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] glishara.livejournal.com
I get really frustrated with that still today, especially when I see it in a context where people are being corrected. When you read a story with the comment, "You use the word 'said' too much, break it up with more interesting words, like 'commented,' 'sputtered,' 'laughed,' and 'grumbled,'" I want to weep. I remember you telling us that "said" is one of the few truly invisible words in the English language, and it's true. The only time it gets noticeable is when you attach it to every line of short dialogue.

"Is she really?" he said.
"Yeah," she said.
"That's amazing!" said Bill.
Sally said, "I know!"

But in situations like that, it's far better to just leave off the tags that to wind up with:

"Is she really?" he queried.
"Yeah," she confirmed.
"That's amazing!" exclaimed Bill.
Sally enthused, "I know!"

Date: 2006-02-10 04:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] introverte.livejournal.com
There's a certain (published) writer who likes to use the dialog tag "murmured". It drives me crazy. If it were used once in a while, it would point out that a character was speaking very softly at that particular moment. However, this writer has this particular character murmur all the time. I don't think she ever "says" or "shouts" or anything else at all. The overuse of this word bothers me and takes away from the story.

That said, I think the use of different tags should be under a rule similar to what you proposed for adverbs: they should be used sparingly, and only when you want to point out that the character is speaking in a particular, important way. I as a reader become irritated by seeing "said" too much, as well.

It happens to me all the time that I become too aware of the mechanics of the writing, and lose focus on the story. I can cite all sorts of examples where the writing gets in the way for me. I liked the way you put it above, that "said" is invisible and the reader passes right over it. Is this the aspiration of good writing, that the reader should never notice the nuts and bolts?

Date: 2006-02-10 04:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] charliesmum.livejournal.com
One of the things that bugs me is when people 'laugh' sentences. As in, 'Oh, Rupert, you're so silly,' she laughed. You can't laugh and talk at the same time. If you put a full stop after silly, then it can work, because it will be more obvious that the laughing is coming after the sentence.

Stephen King wrote an article after Harry Potter 5 came out, and in it he pointed out how many adverbs JK Rowling used. Almost ruined the book for me, because I became really aware of those darned adverbs. Harry never just says something. He says it hotly, or angriliy, or sadly, or drily, or wearily. Annoying.

Date: 2006-02-10 06:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] glishara.livejournal.com
Interestingly, I just looked at a piece of fanfic I was writing (based on Bujold's Vorkosigan series), and realized I was hardly using said at all. But, somehow, it felt wrong if I tried to change it. So I went back to glance at _Young Miles_, which I have the eBook of here in the office. And I realized that she, in fact, writes in exactly that way. From the beginning of the book, we have instructed, called, offered, replied, commented, asked, persisted, explained, snarled, called, complained, added, purred, began, asked, and finally said.

And I really like her writing style. I think part of it is about using them deliberately. If using a different word for said actually changes your understanding of the reading, then you are simply adding precision, which is good. A word like "declaimed" changes the way you imagine the speech, and if it is accurate, is a good word to use. The problem comes in when 'said' would do just as well, and you choose to use something else instead.

I think this may be where English teachers are coming from, encouraging people to think more deeply about their words, and not just use 'said' as a default.

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