[personal profile] mabfan
Remember how a few weeks ago I noted that wild turkeys were chasing after Brookline residents? Well, today's Brookline TAB now reports that there are also coyotes in town. And despite the fact that the coyotes have gone after residents' dogs, it appears as if they may also be helping solve the turkey problem:


The reports of coyotes come on the heels of residents in the Chestnut Hill area complaining about being harassed by wild turkeys. Recently, there have been reports of coyotes attacking the turkeys.


Aha! Take that, you turkeys!

Which leads me to ask the inevitable question: what eats coyotes? The only answer I've come across is wolves, and I don't think Brookline wants to resort to wolves as the solution to our coyote problem.

Date: 2006-03-30 01:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jesshartley.livejournal.com
Elephants?

That could be fun!

Date: 2006-03-30 01:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mabfan.livejournal.com
I suppose if we wanted an animal that stomped coyotes, elephants would be a good bet. But I bet we'd lose a lot of cars in the process...

Date: 2006-03-30 01:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jesshartley.livejournal.com
Well, doesn't Boston have an overcrowding problem, car-wise?


See, two problems solved with one solution!

Date: 2006-03-30 01:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mabfan.livejournal.com
And then I'll have plenty of spaces in which to park my elephant!

Date: 2006-03-30 02:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jesshartley.livejournal.com
Woot!
Howdas for everyone!

Date: 2006-03-30 01:10 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Mountain lions.


STEVE O.

Date: 2006-03-30 01:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mabfan.livejournal.com
Just what the Boston area needs -- more mountain lions!

Date: 2006-03-30 01:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cogitationitis.livejournal.com
Recently, I've heard bobcats are returning to New England.

Coyotes are top-level predators, and have few natural enemies (beyond man). Population control is mostly Malthusian--no food, no coyotes.

Date: 2006-03-30 01:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mabfan.livejournal.com
So once the coyotes eat the turkeys, there'll be no more turkeys and the coyotes will die off?

Perhaps the coyotes will fall asleep due to the tryptophan. Then the mountain lions can get them.

Date: 2006-03-30 03:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angwantibo.livejournal.com
Mountain lions are now extinct or nearly extinct in New England, sorry to say.

Date: 2006-03-30 02:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] magid.livejournal.com
The novel Prodigal Summer (Barbara Kingsolver) deals with this.

Date: 2006-03-30 04:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] somehedgehog.livejournal.com
True, they have few natural enemies in the "get eaten" sense, but they used to face significant competition for resources from larger predators such as cougars and wolves. Now that there are very few large predators, coyotes, being smaller and more adaptable, are expanding to fit that niche. If cougars were sneaky and humble enough to eat garbage without getting caught, there'd probably be more of them.

Date: 2006-03-30 01:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nchanter.livejournal.com
So [livejournal.com profile] asciikitty has been trying to convince me for YEARS that there are coyotes around Boston, in places like Newton and Weston. Having never heard a coyote in the middle of the night when living in these places, I've always been skeptical of her claims. Apparently I was wrong to doubt her...

Date: 2006-03-30 01:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jesshartley.livejournal.com
We're a bit more rural (being out here in the boonies of Western Mass.) but I had honestly thought maybe the claims of rampant coyote population here were overstated too... until I saw a pair of them go through my yard last month. :)

Date: 2006-03-30 01:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mabfan.livejournal.com
I remember that there was a minor coyote problem in Weston for a while, when I was teaching there. I just never expected to find coyotes in Brookline. (Of course, they just captured one in Central Park last week, so I guess coyotes are everywhere!)

Date: 2006-03-30 02:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lizziebelle.livejournal.com
Reminds me of the little old woman who swallowed a fly! ;)

Date: 2006-03-30 02:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mabfan.livejournal.com
Do you know why she swallowed a fly? Perhaps she really wanted a coyote!

Date: 2006-03-30 02:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arib.livejournal.com
Coyote-eating robots, obviously.

After they've eaten all the coyotes, we can switch them over to hydrogen fuel cells or something.

Maybe they'll clean my house for Pesach.

Date: 2006-03-30 02:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mabfan.livejournal.com
Giant coyote-eating Roomba robots!

Date: 2006-03-30 03:00 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] batwrangler.livejournal.com
Meep! Meep!

Date: 2006-03-30 04:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] somehedgehog.livejournal.com
And cyborg zombie monkeys.

Date: 2006-03-30 02:59 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] batwrangler.livejournal.com
Cars. Also furriers. (If you are willing to count metaphorical values of "eat".) I know of a couple in New Mexico who trained their wolfhound to take coyotes. And my uncle's monastery in CO kept a (two-L) llama to deter the local coyotes from taking sheep.

Date: 2006-03-30 03:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angwantibo.livejournal.com
The numbers are kept in check by the turkey population. If they eat too many turkeys, their food will disappear and so will they. Generally, there's a 10:1 to 100:1 ratio of prey:predator in the wild.

The problem is, what if there is plenty of food and the turkey population can maintain a very high population? This would introduce more coyotes than people would care to have in the area.

We have plenty of coyotes, but they don't seem to be a problem. The main concern is rabies.

Also, don't leave babies and toddlers unattended.

Date: 2006-03-30 04:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xiphias.livejournal.com
Honestly, in a fight between a coyote and a wild turkey, while the coyote has the edge, I don't think I'd give better than 5-to-3 on him.

Date: 2006-03-30 04:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fhwqhgads.livejournal.com
What eats coyotes? - KONG.

Date: 2006-03-30 04:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mabfan.livejournal.com
And then he can climb the Prudential Center!

Date: 2006-04-01 06:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fhwqhgads.livejournal.com
Im tearing up just at the mention of it! :'-(

Date: 2006-03-30 04:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lucretia-borgia.livejournal.com
You've all got it wrong. Nothing eats coyotes, but Western farmers shoot coyotes.

So Brookline should import a bunch of gun-totin' Red-State, red-bandana, Red-baiting, red-blooded Western farmers to shoot the coyotes. As long as they're prevented from restocking their ammo, their population will decrease quickly after they're done shootin'.

I just know Town Meeting will love that solution.

BTW, when I saw the title "Brookline Food Chain" I immediately thought you were going to start yammering about grocery stores...

Date: 2006-03-30 04:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mabfan.livejournal.com
Maybe I should have gone with Brookline Food Web?

Date: 2006-03-30 04:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] somehedgehog.livejournal.com
I just want to point out that no one has cited the obvious natural enemies of the coyote - namely, falling anvils and defective products from the Acme corporation.

Date: 2006-03-30 05:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] magid.livejournal.com
*laugh*

How could I have forgotten those?!

Date: 2006-03-30 05:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jenwrites.livejournal.com
Hmm...Waltham's now got turkeys, and I know we have coyotes...

Date: 2006-03-30 08:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] querldox.livejournal.com
Are there empty boxes labelled "Acme" littering the streets as well?

Date: 2006-03-30 09:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madwriter.livejournal.com
As a tie-in to my comment over on Gnomi's journal, just make sure they don't import one-hundred foot high cats that walk on their hind legs.

Date: 2006-03-31 12:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] donovanstitch.livejournal.com
Oh, c'mon, the answer is obvious -- chad gadya*, chad gadya (or perhaps the malach ha-maves**).

PSA translations for those who don't do Passover seders:

*"One goat"
**"The angel of death"

Date: 2006-03-31 07:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vettecat.livejournal.com
Cougars! Here, kitty, kitty... :-)

Date: 2006-04-06 02:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pressburger.livejournal.com
There was also a cayote found in Central Park a couple of weeks ago.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-03-22-coyote-nyc_x.htm

They are taking over. or trying to and failing miserably.

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